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Names and idioms with total stroke of 17:
柚布子  免疫  舟崎  全部  海來  

Names and idioms similar to 墨で:
文人墨客  川墨  墨友  墨田堤  繩墨式  

Yojijukugo(idioms with 4 Kanji characters) including 墨で:
墨名儒行  輸攻墨守  筆硯紙墨  

Idioms including 墨で:
孔席暖まらず、墨突黔まず  墨子糸に泣く  墨守  

Check stroke order for the words below:
他力  玉髄  追良瀬川  鮑子  久傳  神直毘  霊室